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1. 

   Hiphopopotamus said:

   December 7th, 2009 at 10:36 am

   It’s probably not a huge deal – although getting passed over for an ISU team with 2 less wins is a pretty big slap in the dick.

   If I were you, my bigger worry would be the long term affects of a possible pattern/reputation developing. Individually, these can all be shrugged off with either justification or rationalization. But down the road, when it comes time to decide if Missouri can travel (say there’s a legitimate debate about who to invite to the Holiday Bowl), it’s gonna be tough for Alden to make that argument.
2. 

   Euclid said:

   December 7th, 2009 at 11:10 am

   Actually, if we get snubbed next year we might actually end up in the Holiday Bowl since it has already been snubbed by the Big 12 (moving from 3rd to 5th in the pecking order). Maybe that snub will work out in our favor like this year did.

   I agree that developing a reputation of not traveling is a bad thing. Perhaps in general Alden should be doing more to turn up the hype machine to energize fans. Hell we here every week from Pinkel how many fans he wants to have in “The Zou” [gay] and what color we are supposed to wear. Perhaps if they set goals for how many fans we need to have at a bowl game and made those very public we might be able to improve our attendance performance. It seems like these sorts of things are pretty contagious. For example the travel plans of our group of 10 to 15 people who travel to away games is pretty binary (i.e., all or nothing) and it wouldn’t take much to swing a few of these sorts of groups to get the snowball rolling.

   That said, I really don’t blame Alden here because I think the bigger problem is attributable to the fans not the administration.
3. 

   Phenomenal Smith said:

   December 7th, 2009 at 11:22 am

   my bigger worry would be the long term affects of a possible pattern/reputation developing.

   I think that reputation has been firmly developed and established.

   I don’t think it’s Alden’s fault – he’s a renowned glad-hander and constant advocate for the school. He’s done so well overall, it’s odd to think he doesn’t know how to sell the school to a bunch of guys in bad blazers. Maybe Mizzou needs to create better travel packages, but if I recall correctly, they did create one for the Sun Bowl that cost $100 for students. Something ridiculously cheap. It involved buses and sketchy hotels in Juarez, but hey, they were trying.

   If the bowls really wanted more Mizzou people to attend they’d invite us to better bowls. Or, in lieu of that, create an Arrowhead Bowl or Gateway Bowl.

   I’m surprised TV ratings don’t matter. Mizzou has been great for ratings in the past few years. Why doesn’t anyone care? Seems you get more money from sponsors if a few hundred more thousand are watching than if you get a couple more thousand in the seats. I don’t know how all that works.
4. Boo Radley said:

   December 7th, 2009 at 11:37 am

   Until the Big 12 steps in and makes it a requirement that Bowls cannot bypass a team with 2 more wins, it is going to continue to be a problem. You can’t blame the Bowls for picking teams in close proximity, I mean they have to sell tickets. The ISU thing is just stupid, and I hope it blows up in their face. I find it interesting that Matter says in his blog we would have gone to the Cotton Bowl if OSU had beaten OU. I really hate OSU now for last year and now this year.

   Bigger question: Should we consider a move to the BIg 10 again?
5. 

   Gene Claude said:

   December 7th, 2009 at 11:53 am

   Crazy to go from the Cotton to the Texas Bowl.

   A big problem for Mizzou is that all of these Texas/Lousiana/Phoenix bowls are naturally going to favor the South teams, too.

   The Big 10 move might have justification, but it sure isn’t football related. This year, two of the Big 10 bowls were able to pick anyone, regardless of record (because the Big 10 has 2 BCS teams). As Euclid has pointed out, under either the Big 10 or ACC rules, the ISU thing could have happened. This isn’t a conference problem, it is a bowl system problem.

   I’m looking forward to the AT NYC road trip for the Yankee Bowl next year.
6. 

   Euclid said:

   December 7th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

   As GC mentioned some other conferences have “one win” rules but that only applies to conference record. In this case, ISU and ATM are within one win of Mizzou in conference play and could have gone anywhere.
7. 

   Gene Claude said:

   December 7th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

   I think the Big 10s “one win” rule applies to overall record, but two bowls (can’t remember which one) are exempt if there are 2 BCS teams.

   The moral is that the whole process is a beauty contest and we need to accept that fact that we could use some damn makeup.
8. 

   Gene Claude said:

   December 7th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

   There is also a vicious cycle element to this whole thing…we are relegated to worse bowls because we don’t travel well, people are disappointed and don’t go. Rinse, repeat.
9. 

   Triston27 said:

   December 7th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

   If missouri jumped ship to the crappy Big Televen, who would we get to replace them? I think there’d be a strong push for Arkansas to join the South and maybe move Baylor(?) to the North.
10. 

    Gene Claude said:

    December 7th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Or trade Baylor for future considerations.

    If we jump to the Big 10, I will immolate myself.
11. 

    Sheriff Blalock said:

    December 7th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Re-posted from another article:

    Advantages to Texas Bowl:

    Better opponent
    Better network
    Better recruiting area
    Better opportunity for players to play at home
    Better area to recruit
    More likely that Mizzou sells more tickets
    Less expensive for team to travel (more profit for athletic department)–I guess I should take this off, since Mizzou would have gotten almost half a million more to travel to the Insight.

    Disadvantages:
    Even crappier bowl game than the Insight
    Don’t get to beat another Big 10 team
    Illegal for Will Ebner to spear Dan Beebe for letting us get screwed over for third year in a row

    Honestly, I don’t think there’s that much to be done about the bowls, other than have Missouri travel better. Like Gene said, there’s always going to be an inherent bias to the South teams, since they’re closer.
12. 

    Triston27 said:

    December 7th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    I’d gladly trade Baylor for a team to be named later.
13. DocNice said:

    December 7th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Mizzou is an in a transition phase of the program. We haven’t won long enough to develop a large and wide-reaching fan base. But we’ve won too much to get really excited about playing a 6-6 team in Shreveport or some other low level bowl.

    I’ll never forget going to see a Mizzou/Nebraska game at a sports bar in Walnut Creek, California. At 9:30 am, I was the only Mizzou fan in the place…there were at least a dozen Husker fans.

    We’ll never have that kind of following, but another 5 or 10 years of consistent winning would get us a large travelling base.
14. 

    Gene Claude said:

    December 7th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    Doc, agreed. I was trying not to fill the post entirely with my point of view…which is thus:

    Fans follow performance, not vice versa. Complaining about bowl games screwing us is silly as they are just making an economic decision within the contractual rights they negotiated with the league. Complaining at fans for not traveling is silly because it doesn’t do anything. Win for a number of years, you will have more fans, you will win the toss ups for bowls.

    And, besides, outside of about 10 bowls, the rest are largely fungible.
15. DocNice said:

    December 7th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Definitely. And like you alluded to, outside of the people following their conference, most have no idea whether Insight or Texas or Sun is higher than another. They look at the teams playing, and in this case, Texas is way better than Insight.
16. 

    Phenomenal Smith said:

    December 7th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    I don’t want to move to the Big 10, but here’s what it’d look like:

    Big 10 East: Penn State, Ohio State, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State

    Big 10 West: Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin
17. 

    Phenomenal Smith said:

    December 7th, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Fans follow performance

    This is definitely true for home attendance. And it lags by a good two three years. I would like to commission a study from you, GC, on this matter.

    Re bowl traveldom, I’m not so sure. Iowa State’s performance blows historically, yet they travel well. Or so we’re told.

    Doc, you are right. National perception is the Insight is the dregs of the Big 12 bowls, not Texas. That’s kind of why I thought Insight would take Mizzou. Pairing a couple 6-6 teams has to be embarrassing for a bowl with any pride.
18. 

    Gene Claude said:

    December 8th, 2009 at 8:45 am

    The hard part on doing an analysis is finding 5 and 10 year data sets that are apples to apples. I once did a back of the envelope comparison of MU and KSU and it was pretty telling. What are some other schools / time periods that would be relevant? Probably VT.
19. DocNice said:

    December 8th, 2009 at 9:37 am

    GC, where would you find that data?
20. 

    Phenomenal Smith said:

    December 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    Maybe KU. Oregon State, Maryland, NC State, Rutgers, Illinois….
21. 

    Gene Claude said:

    December 8th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    Doc: Previously I found the data on individual school’s websites. That is time intensive and annoying. I’m going to search around and see if I can find something already compiled. If you see anything, drop a note on this thread.

    Phenom, I think what we need is a significant period of time of extreme to moderate suckitude, followed by a significant period of time of goodness. Maybe those schools fit the bill, I don’t know enough about them. I’ll look at college football data warehouse and try to come up with some comps.
22. 

    Hiphopopotamus said:

    December 8th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    This is a staff-wide email sent out by Missouri (forwarded from a friend who is a MU employee)…

    “If you are unable to attend the bowl, please consider purchasing tickets to help us build on our already outstanding bowl reputation. The number of tickets that an institution sells strongly affects future bowl selections. Tickets are only $55 each and we will help distribute any unused tickets to local charities and/or members of our student body.”
23. 

    Gene Claude said:

    December 8th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    Season ticket / TSF got one from Pinkel saying something similar. This is a good idea, right?
24. 

    Vasherized said:

    December 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    HenryJames is offering good money for a luggage handler/driver/servant in Pasadena. FYI…
25. 

    Gene Claude said:

    December 8th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    Seems I could handle 1 and 3 drunk. Can I get 2/3 of the money and he can find another driver?
26. DocNice said:

    December 8th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    Back to 1998 is the best I can find.

    http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=1304
27. DocNice said:

    December 8th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    I might try to throw something together later this week with that data, even though it’s only a decade. I tell ya, I’d love to get a hold of some media guides.
28. NorthDallasSooner said:

    December 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    BTW, I got an email blast from Texas Monthly Magazine offering 4 game tickets plus non-alc’s and food for $89. It’s offered on the bowl website. in case you’re interested…..
29. 

    huskerwes1 said:

    December 11th, 2009 at 8:59 am

    In other news-

    I was excited about the Gabbert the younger coming to N, but to no avail.

    He said that he wanted to pass around 40 times/game and Nebraska is going back to power football. All ya’ll lack now is Gabbert the lesser.
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