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Posted by Gene Claude on September 29th, 2008 under Uncategorized
CFN had an interesting snippet regarding the BCS and the current pecking order. They said:
“As it stands now, the national title pecking order is (for right or wrong) …
1. Unbeaten SEC champion,
2. Unbeaten Big 12 champion,
3. Unbeaten Big Ten champion,
4. One loss SEC champion,
5. Unbeaten Big East Champion,
6. One loss USC,
7. One loss Big 12 champion,
8. One-loss Big 12 champion,
9. Unbeaten Mountain West champion,
10. One loss Big Ten champion,
11. Two loss SEC champion. (Note: The ACC doesn’t have an unbeaten team and likely has no shot”
This is the first sensible flow chart I’ve seen of potential National Championship Game participants. Pretty much every article you read over the next three or four weeks will present a stupifying, mind numbing list of hypothetical outcomes to this season. IGNORE THIS CRAP. There are only two scenarios you, Mizzou fan, (or you, OU, UT, OSU, KU, or TT fan) need to concern yourself with.
(1): If my team goes undefeated, should I book tickets to Miami? KU fans, you don’t need to worry about this one.
(2): If my team has one loss, but wins the Big 12 Championship, should I do the same?
Number (1) was answered on Thursday night with USC’s loss. Now, all unbeaten Big 12 teams control their own destiny. Win out, you go to Miami. Done. Thanks, Pete and Mark.
But (1) was never a big deal, anyway. Every year, the BCS wailing and gnashing of teeth begins around week 4…what if there are three unbeaten teams??? There’s no way USC can lose!!! And almost every year the multiple unbeaten teams argument is put to bed by the end of October at the latest. This year, multiple unbeaten teams were even more of a long shot, with three to five strong Big 12 teams, 3 – 5 strong SEC teams and a Big 10 that looks to be filled with mediocrity (although Penn State is pretty salty). I was never once concerned that if Mizzou won out, we would not be in the NC game.
No, what has had me worried is (2): What happens if Mizzou (or insert your favorite Big 12 team) finishes the regular season at 11 – 1 and plays in and wins the Big 12 Championship? What would it take for Mizzou to play in the NC game in that scenario? (In case you were wondering…there is very little chance the loser of the Big 12 Championship game plays in the NC game…unless everyone has 2 losses, I’m just ignoring that possibility).
In the case of option (2), the Week 4 shenanigans could prove to be most helpful, not just for MU, but also for OU, UT or even TT or Okie State or, ack, KU. Each of those teams could also find itself in the Big 12 championship game with 1 loss.
Here’s why week 4 was so helpful. For one loss, Big 12 Champion team to definitely make the National Championship game there must be NO MORE THAN ONE of the following:
• An undefeated or one loss SEC Champion (NOTE: A one loss non-divisional winner SEC team or a one loss SEC Championship game loser does not count)
• An unbeaten Big 10 team
• A one loss USC
• A one loss Ohio State
• An unbeaten Big East Champion
I actually think that the latter three may be irrelevant, at least for UT, MU, OU and probably TT. Recall that (see Euclid’s article) computers that consider strength of schedule account for one third of the BCS formula. A one loss USC or Ohio State, or an unbeaten Big East team have a very good chance of finishing below those four Big 12 teams in the final BCS rankings due to SOS issues. And, frankly, I cannot fathom UCONN or South Florida going undefeated or playing in the NC game, so I’m throwing the whole unbeaten Big East Champion thing out the window.
That means the following teams matter for a one loss, Big 12 Champion: Florida, Georgia, Bama, Auburn, LSU, USC, Ohio State and Penn State.
In the SEC, Florida, Georgia and Auburn are all on the precipice: One more loss and they are no longer a threat. That was the beauty of this weekend. Both UGA and Florida lost, but even more importantly…they lost to teams in the SEC West. Why does that matter? Because the Big 12 wants a 2 loss SEC Champion. UF and UGA losses make it considerably more likely that the SEC East champion will have 2 losses (and then win the SEC Championship game over a 1 or 0 loss LSU or Bama), which would be fantastic. Worst case SEC championship is a matchup between a one loss East and a zero or one loss West team. Preferable is a two lost East team and a zero loss West team, allowing the East to ruin the SEC’s title game hopes. UGA still has to play at Auburn and LSU, and Florida has to play at UGA, so this scenario is very much alive (UGA loses one of those two, beats Florida and viola! UGA plays Bama in the SEC title game, exacts revenge, and whines about how they aren’t in the NC game).
Likewise, in the Big 10, Ohio State is knocking on heaven’s door. And probably the most important result of Wacky Week 4 was the ranks of unbeaten Big 10 squads being halved with Wisconsin’s loss (sorry Northwestern, you don’t count). Now only Penn State definitely matters, with Ohio State barely hanging on.
In short, your rooting orders are as follows:
• AGAINST Penn State. Most important. Illinois win would have been really nice.
• AGAINST Ohio State.
• AGAINST USC.
• When not playing each other, AGAINST UGA, Florida, LSU, Auburn and Bama.
• AGAINST Florida always.
• AGAINST UGA except UGA/Florida
• SEC West OVER SEC East
• Auburn OVER Alabama
All of this comes with the caveat of “for the time being.”
In short, though, a one loss Big 12 Champion has a remarkably good shot at being in the National Championship game as long as Penn State loses. Losses by Penn State, Ohio State and USC would virtually assure a one loss Big 12 Champion would make the championship, regardless of what the rednecks down south do to each other. That’s a pretty amazing statement for the last week of September.
Phenomenal Smith said:
September 29th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
I just edited Lines We Care About – 10/4 Edition to include all lines on games you say we should follow closely.
http://www.atomicteeth.com/?p=20
Euclid said:
September 29th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Wow, that is a mouthful and who better to have their mouth full… I will be posting updated BCS results as soon as the Anderson and Hester poll comes out (expected “early this week”). I am going to reserve any critical evaluation of your logic until I have the new BCS standings.
Gene Claude said:
September 29th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
I’m curious to hear your thoughts on the chances that a one loss Mizzou finishes ahead of a one loss USC and OSU, or a no loss UCONN or USF.
I think it is virtually incontrovertible that a one loss Mizzou wants a two loss SEC champion.
Other assumptions that probably warrant further scrutiny: Is there any way that a one loss SEC non-champion (either first loss is in SEC championship, or someone who didn’t make the SEC title game (like Auburn, LSU or Bama)) finishes ahead of a one loss MU in the BCS formula? Does a zero loss BYU or some such bullshit finish ahead of a one loss MU?
Gene Claude said:
September 29th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Also, does a one loss Mizzou finish ahead of a one loss Penn State? I’ve assumed that, but I’m not certain that is correct.
Phenomenal Smith said:
September 30th, 2008 at 6:57 am
If after the B12 Champ game Mizzou has one loss and that is to Texas in OT, then Mizzou’s chances of being ahead of one-loss USC or OSU are very good. If our one loss comes by getting rolled by a one or two loss OU in the B12 Champ game, then I’ll see you at Christie’s in Dallas on December 31.
I look forward to a weekly update of your root scrutiny – I call it “rootiny.” Same with Slim’s Road to Miami and Euclid’s BCS calcs and analysis.
Phenomenal Smith said:
September 30th, 2008 at 7:12 am
Speaking of a one-loss USC team – I watched the second half of the Oregon State game last night on ESPNU (I missed most of the game the first time because of my addiction to alcohol). What a great game.
USC’s defense knew exactly what Oregon State was going to do and were helpless to stop it. Several times USC piled 9 guys in the box and Oregon State ran between the tackles for substantial gain. I thought USC’s linebackers were the best in the country? What the hell happened?
The atmosphere in Corvalis was awesome – I love college football.
Oh, and they showed a clip of a Beaver team from the 60s and it appeared their helmets were adorned with a beaver tail down the middle. Quite ridiculous.
Gene Claude said:
September 30th, 2008 at 7:21 am
There is very, very, very little chance that the loser of the Big 12 Championship makes the national championship game. I’ve just assumed that any one loss NC game participant will (1) win its division and (2) its conference championship game (if applicable).
I can go into much more inane detail about those two assumptions, but I think they are safe unless really wacky stuff happens.
Gene Claude said:
September 30th, 2008 at 7:22 am
But your point about who the loss is to (and, more importantly, when) is correct. If Mizzou loses to KU, it will be viewed less favorably than if Mizzou loses to Texas, because of opponent, venue and timing.
Phenomenal Smith said:
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:39 pm
USF lost, meaning only UCONN remains from the Big East.
I had to check your scrootiny to find out if I wanted USF to win.
Gene Claude said:
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:42 pm
You did not.
Um, why is there a picture of Ricky Clemons in an ad on our front page? That isn’t even anywhere close to funny.
Gene Claude said:
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Scrootiny update: We are Boilermakers.
Atomic Teeth » Blog Archive » Scrootiny - Week 7 said:
October 10th, 2008 at 7:10 am
[...] Gene Claude provided us with a roadmap to BCS happiness. This weekend’s matchups include several important games that will shape the national picture, and Atomic Teeth is here to tell you for whom to root if your goal is like ours (or really like any sane person in America) – Mizzou in Miami. [...]